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only to be evaded for a full six minutes. >> you know, rick, i've been dealing with health care reform, my state has over 12% unemployment rate. there are are so many bigger issue. i commented on all i was going to comment on that. i'm not going to answer any of the questions because i'm focused on doing my job right now. all that stuff will take care of itself overtime. everything will take care of itself over time. in the end, everything will be answered in its fullest, we will cooperate, and i think based on the facts, that the evidence committee would clear me, and i'll be able to go on being a senator. i've answered the questions that i'm going to answer, and i -- go back to my statements that i have done nothing ethically or illegal in this matter, and in the end it's going to absolutely -- we feel that we will be completely exonerated.
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>> what we, senator? speaking of the family, the new york times today picked up on reporting we've done for the last five weeks or so on the kill the gays bill. the government members who support it are members of the family. bob hunter, a former ford and carter administration official who's been one of the family's key contacts with uganda, told jeff charlotte that the family is opposed to that bill. not only that, mr. hunter said he's actively working to get politicians to actively fight against the bill, for the first time since we started reporting on the family, we finally have been able to schedule an interview with someone who is a part of the group. mr. bob hunter is the interview on the rachel mad doe show right here tomorrow night which happens at our regular time,
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9:00 p.m. eastern. we're really looking forward to having him on the show, it's long overdue. we'll see you tomorrow for that. in the meantime, "countdown" with keith olbermann starts right now. have a great night. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? exploiting terror? after the briefest of calm and rational pauses we rejoin the republican message -- democrats will kill you already in progress. >> i don't think we should focus on the blame right now. >> senator demint then blames the president for not using the word "terror" often enough. the madness of dick cheney. president obama is trying to pretend we are not at war and when president obama pretends we aren't, it makes us less safe. the counterterrorism adviser response. >> either the vice president is willfully mischaracterizing this president's position both in terms of the language or the action taken or he is ignorant
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of the facts. >> and tonight the quick comment as a former vice president in what he calls a time of war, where is dick cheney's loyalty to the president of the united states? no matter that president's party or name. and the other unasked question about flights 253. why did the bomber leave the bathroom where no one could have stopped him to return to his seat where everyone did stop him? orally taitz limbaugh. >> based on what happened to me here i don't think there is one thing wrong with the american health care system. >> even though again they evidently failed to pull his head out of his back side. and fox news drops the pretense tiger woods can be forgiven but only if he renounces his religion. >> my message to tiger would be, turn to the christian faith and you can make a total recovery and be a great example to the world. >> an organization proselytizing, trying to force others to convert to its faith alone, you know, just like islamic extremists. all the news and tonight's first
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two quick comments now on "countdown." >> kind of a senior moment there. good evening from new york. after an all too brief pause in their ceaseless effortses to turn a 23-year-old loser's failed attempt to detonate his underwear into something just this side of the burning of the white house in 1812. republicans have resumed warning that the end is near and the u.s. government has ordered new security measures at airports around the globe and both efforts have hit slight snags. we'll get to republican insecurity first airport security. associated press reporting tonight that numerous countries are not yet observing new airport security measures ordered by the u.s. specifically passport holders from 14 countries such as yemen, nigeria, pakistan, and passengers flying through those countries to the u.s. are now supposed to get a patdown and a search of their carry on bags. the a.p. reporting, though, no changes at airports in syria,
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algeria, libya, and lebanon. britain, france, germany, and switzerland all said they are still assessing the new guidelines. the homeland security secretary janet napolitano was asked today about nbc news justice correspondent pete williams, about that lack of compliance 37 compliance. >> we are working now to make sure that it is 100% complied with but i will tell you our own people who work internationally in the airports and with the carriers are very confident that these are the rules that are being applied. >> returning from the vacation today, the president met with security officials, including his top counterterrorism adviser, sunday talk show star john brennan. the president calling a meeting tomorrow afternoon in the situation room with the cia, departments of state, justice, homeland security and more to review what is known so far. the president will deliver brief remarks to the public via the media about 4:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. lacking such requisite information some republicans remain bent on undermining mr. obama by stoking fear. senator jim demint criticizing
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the president for not saying the word "terror" enough. this from a senator whose own fear of american workers organizing into one of these scary union things is the reason that the tsa, the transportation security administration, does not have a leader. demint still defending his one-man delay of the confirmation of former fbi agent air roll erroll southers as head of the tsa arguing letting the workers organize would endanger the nation. it was, however, former vice president cheney's contention that mr. obama is pretending we are not at war that continued to draw rebuke including even from veterans of the bush-cheney administration. mr. brennan, who served in the bush administration, too, leading the creation of the national counterterrorism center, responded to mr. cheney's remarks. >> i'm very disappointed in the vice president's comments. i'm neither republican nor democrat. i've worked for the past five administrations and either the vice president is willfully mischaracterizing this president's position both in terms of language he uses and
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the actions he has taken or he is ignorant of the facts. and it does not speak well of what the vice president is doing. >> the "new york times" piece outlining several ways mr. obama was tougher on al qaeda than bush and cheney were. the "times" reports some half dozen bush/cheney veterans are too afraid or political to admit their support of mr. obama's counterterror efforts. mr. bush's final cia director, michael hayden told the "times" there is it a continuum from the second bush term to today. yesterday he went further, putting blame on himself and his administration. >> true to be said that we did release some folks from guantanamo despite our best efforts making this threat assessment that actually returned to the battle field to return to terrorism. and certainly we bear responsibility for that. >> let's turn first to msnbc's political analyst richard wolff also author of "renegade, the making of a president." good evening. >> good evening, keith.
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>> what is the focus right now? is it the pushback borders at other airports? is it the indication that intelligence such as what the nsa knew about al qaeda in yemen, using a nigerian man for an attack was not, maybe is not being utilized? where is the focus right now? >> well, i was speaking to white house folks earlier today and it's clear the president is still deeply concerned and troubled, even angry at the intelligence lapses but they see this more as an intelligence lapse more than a situation of airport security faults. so the question here is why didn't the centralized system of intelligence that was set up after 9/11, why didn't it work? is this conspiracy or cork up? is it a case of the agencies having so much rivalry between them that they were more determined to stymie each other or the centralized system rather than dealing with the terrorist threat or was it just there were so many dots no one could connect them because it was all too random to figure out? seems that the president is
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leaning very much towards thinking this was a systemic failure by individuals who maybe had an alternative agenda. >> if airport security is the fail safe, though, in that equation, what was behind the bush administration's failure to establish the secondary checks overseas? why are we suddenly rushing to this idea now? when did mr. bush, and i presume mr. chertoff, drop that ball? >> well, there are more smart, more efficient ways to protect the country than to defend every airport because we know from our own airport system in this country that there are no fail safe methods, even with all the extra methods that you have out there, people take off their shoes because of the shoe bomber and then a terrorist tries to put the same explosives on another part of their body or clothing. the question here is why wasn't the intelligence directed at countries where al qaeda was reconstituting or establishing itself anew? that gets you to a strategic question which, unfortunately, the last administration failed
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to see, because it was diverted most classically into iraq. >> to your second point there, and we can sort of skip the woody allen joke about underwear will now be worn on the outside at airports so we can check, your second point that you suggested in there that the administration is looking into mixed, perhaps mixed motives, mixed, or misplaced priorities? i'm not sure exactly how you phrased that, in terms of what, getting messages from a to b where people, are people thought to have been deliberately withholding information so that the dots could not be connected? >> the question is, was this information that was shared -- remember, there was some sharing of information but it involves the father of this in the end terrorist who walks in to see the cia officials in a foreign embassy. this is an american embassy in a foreign country. you know, that information, was it shared fully? why wasn't it shared fully? the question there is, again,
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cork up or conspiracy? was there a reason these agencies were at war with each other that prevented that intelligence from being shared? >> is the implication there that there is at least a possibility somebody understood how serious this could be and yet withheld information to make some other part of the counterterrorism system look bad? >> that has got to be an area that the white house is looking into and, you know, motives can be hard to assess because it's not clear that this person was easily identified as a terrorist, even with the father coming forward saying they had concerns. was that more of a family concern or were there enough fingerprints here about the radicalization of this individual to suggest that it should have been taken to a different level? at the very least, a security level beyond more than a nominal sharing of information. that's where this inquiry is, this internal inquiry for the moment, has to go. >> well, certainly, not to get too far ahead of what the information the white house doesn't have and presumably thus you don't have and certainly i don't have, but that seems to be what you're describing at least
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in theory is a far greater threat than a guy with explosives on an airplane whether or not he succeeds in blowing them up. >> well, it's the most important line of defense. i don't know that it's a threat in itself but you can defend every airport as much as you like. in the end the most efficient, safest borderline for security has got to be human intelligence. there seems to have been plenty of human intelligence in this case. >> msnbc political analyst richard wolff the author of "renegade the making of a president" great thanks as always for your time and especially that last point, richard. >> thank you, keith. >> we're joined by arianna huffington. cofounder and editor in chief of huffington post. good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> richard's last point there, forgive me if i'm a little flustered but it seems rather startling to contemplate that in a day and age when presumably we are all, whatever we think of the threat of terror in this world, presumably we're all on the same side if we have something to do with this country that somebody might be deliberately in the
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counterterrorism system that we employ around the world withholding information no matter what the consequences might be? what do you think of that? >> i know. it was an astounding statement especially since richard said he had talked to people in the white house who are leaning toward that conclusion in terms of a systemic failure in terms of how our intelligence system is operating. but, you know, keith, this takes us to that fundamental point of are we really putting our attention where we need to put our attention? or have we been distracted by all of this macho talk about this being a war on terror? in doing the same mistakes that bush/cheney did, fighting the wrong war at the wrong time and as we are doing right now in afghanistan. when you look at the amount of money we're spending in afghanistan, when you look at the amount of attention this administration spent on reaching a decision about afghanistan, compared to where the threats are coming from, and what is happening in yemen and somalia
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and including our own home grown terrorists here. you realize we are fighting the wrong targets here in the wrong way. >> but what kind of -- i really can't even think of anybody as despised as some of the republicans -- as despicably as some of the republicans have behaved on this subject on the exploitation of terror and counterterrorism since let's give them the benefit of the doubt, october 1st, 2001. exploitation of that, even taking that into context, it seems to me incredible that somewhere in our defense system, our front lines there, the information gathering problem, that somebody said, no, no. let's not tell anybody else about that and then we'll see what those democrats actually do with this security situation. is that plausible to you? >> well, i don't want to believe it but if it is the truth we need to address it and we need to address it by focusing on what richard called the first
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line of defense which is our intelligence system. and that remains the truth. no matter how much money we spend in sending troops to far away places the first line of defense is our intelligence system, and we have not put the kind of attention we need to on that, including, of course, the second line of defense, which is our airport security. >> all right. to the domestic politics and politicizing of this, arianna, some bush administration veterans inside and outside the current administration have said publicly or if they lack integrity they said it privately that mr. obama is both, a, largely maintaining bush era security measures, improving upon them even and, b, doing a good job at that. if they say that, what is the point of dick cheney saying the contrary? >> well, you could say what is the point of dick cheney? you know, dick cheney is absolutely shameless. he didn't even give an interview, keith. he just sent a press release to
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politico which was reprinted. and what is amazing here, given that it was cheney's decision to release the saudi arabian detainees from guantanamo, two of whom we now know went to yemen having just gone through a halfway house in saudi arabia for a little while and there in yemen they helped train the underwear bomber. we see that here cheney has a direct responsibility to bear, and that's what the media need to be doing, to actually ask him questions and ask him to share some of the responsibility for what happened instead of continuing to criticize the obama administration. >> we can ask i'm sure he'll get right back to us. arianna huffington of huffington post, as always, great thanks. >> thank you. >> we'll ask evan coleman the counterterrorism expert from nbc news about what richard wolffe just mentioned and the prospect
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with all the panic over the christmas day attempt to blow up flight 253 by the so-called underwear bomber one element has been widely overlooked. why did the culprit essentially repeat the final flawed step of the failed terror attempt from eight years ago? why leave the only secured location to which a passenger has access and utter privacy, a bathroom, in which a terrorist could complete his destruction and self-destruction to instead go sit among passengers who could and did stop him? richard reid was of course the british passenger now convicted terrorist who on december 22nd, 2001 tried to blow up american airlines flight 63 by lighting a fuse protruding from his shoe the sole of which packed enough high explosive to blow a hole in the fuselage of the aircraft according to the fbi. we have been reminded this past week reid tried to detonate that explosive while at his seat where he was comparatively easily stopped. reid did that instead of going into the bathroom where he could
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not have been disturbed. on christmas day umar farouk abdulmutallab evidently took a course that was different than reid for time anyway. he reportedly spent 20 minutes in the lavatory of northwest flight 253, presumably to ready the explosive device at least part of which was concealed in his underwear but instead of finishing the job in that bathroom, he returned to his seat, reportedly pulling a blanket over himself after complaining of an upset stomach. what ensued was a loud pop and flames which led to passengers and flight attendants noticing and stopping what might have happened next. one flight attendant reportedly asked abdulmutallab what he had. his answer? an explosive device. according to the fbi complaint one passenger saw a partially melted syringe and shook it to stop it from smoking. so it is fair to wonder why abdulmutallab returned to his seat at all when he might have continued unnoticed, uninterfered with in the bathroom and also it is fair to ask what a first-year psychology student would make of his singular choice. let's instead call in an international terrorism expert and msnbc terrorism analyst evan
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coleman. good evening. >> good evening. >> if you're talking about blowing yourself up and dozens of others, psychology is clearly part of that issue. so from your viewpoint, your expertise, how much validity do you give the theory that perhaps unconsciously he made sure not only that he did not blow himself up but that he could say, i didn't chicken out. they stopped me. >> well, there is a technical reason for what he did, for putting himself next to the fuselage. he was trying to create enough of an explosion to knock a hole out of the side of the plane and cause a rapid decompression the idea being cause catastrophic damage, a series of interlinked events that would bring the plane down. but there are bits of this that you do kind of wonder. 20 minutes inside the bathroom, was he really spending all of this time monkeying with the explosive device or having second thoughts? we know about some of these folks that they do have problems. i mean, they have some issues. i think this came up fairly visibly in the case of major malik hasan down in the fort hood massacre. but if you look at the internet
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postings made by umar farouk abdulmutallab mb you see someone with serious issues, and is searching for something out there on the internet, friends, an ideology, a cause. and he happened upon this. but you do have to kind of wonder what was running through his head in the last few minutes before he did this. he did act in a fairly strange manner. >> another strange part about this, if he didn't force himself to be caught, one is left questioning perhaps his intelligence in figuring out that he might be interfered with when he got back to the seat and you could also question the intelligence of the people who prepared him and enabled him, sent him, for not, perhaps, underscoring the most essential part of the operation, or does it not matter to them now if the bomb ever goes off? >> well, first of all, i'll pose a scenario. imagine he expects this bomb to go off with a sudden detonation. it's all over in a big flash. and instead of what he expects, this magnificent explosion, the only thing that happens is that his crotch lights on fire. i mean, that's a great disappointment. i don't think that would make
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anyone's day. but, yeah. i mean, if you look at this as far as al qaeda is concerned, it really doesn't matter that much whether or not the attack succeeds in bringing down the airliner or not as long as they achieve the publicity, as long as they show they're capable of doing something, they have in essence proven their essential point which is that they can pose a threat to u.s. national security. let's also keep in mind here what the long-term strategy is of al qaeda with these kind of attacks. they're not simply looking to kill americans. what they're looking to do is overwhelm our security, to overload our responsibilities, to cause us to spend billions of dollars on measures to try to stop people with explosives inside their underpants. and hopefully at least in the mind of al qaeda by doing so they will completely overwhelm us and make us believe that it's easier to withdraw from the middle east entirely. so that is part of their calculation here. so even if the bomb doesn't go off successfully, if it gets to this point and they demonstrate that they are capable of reaching americans, they have achieved the success in their
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mind. i mean, that's why they claim responsibility for plots even when they fail. >> right. and that's why our unwitting complicity in this is necessary for the process. i wanted to go into further detail on the psychology of this in this country but i must ask you about what richard wolffe reported, that the white house, part of the big meeting at the white house tomorrow about the systemic failure of getting the intel about this man especially since his father walked into an embassy and said, i think my son is dangerously involved with these people, that it may not have been simple incompetence, that in some way it may have been intentional and the two major options richard said were being investigated was could it be a turf war between the intel agencies or could somebody have done this deliberately to make someone look bad? do either of these components, does the whole idea seem plausible to you? >> i find it hard to believe someone would do this deliberately, that someone would put american lives in jeopardy
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deliberately, but look. there were some very serious mistakes made here and some very obvious connections that were missed. it's easy to say it's the cia and they get a lot of information and have to go through a lot of threats but this was an obvious one. there wasn't one warning sign. there were multiple signs all of which should have been caught by a multitude of different u.s. government agencies and they were missed. and even if it wasn't deliberate which i don't believe it was, somebody needs to pay a price for those failures because otherwise they're going to happen again. just like they happened again two weeks ago. the fundamental reforms that need to take place that were supposed to take place after 9/11 have not taken place and we need to change that. >> evan, strategically speaking from our point of view from our self-defense what would you do if you were told the white house had conclusive evidence that loss of intel was no accident? would you tell people or what? >> i think the first step is fire people. fire the people who were responsible. and i don't think it matters
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whether it was deliberate or it was happenstance. if someone refused to share information with another u.s. government agency, that could have stopped this, this information doesn't belong to the government agencies. it belongs to the people of the united states. and it's fundamentally the responsibility of those government agencies to make sure that that information ends up in the hands of people who need it to stop people like umar farouk abdulmutallab long before they ever get to an airliner, an airport or the united states border. >> wow, the picture gets darker and darker. nbc terrorism analyst evan coleman, great thanks for your perspective on both of these issues. >> thank you. as we saw in 2002 and 2003 and to lesser degrees every year since the nation's response to this, tension often with no purpose, not just last night's repeat of the old favorite guy walks the wrong way through security so they shut down a terminal at newark airport for five hours but also tension in the national discourse. britt hume announces tiger woods
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can be forgiven but only if he renounces his religion and signs up with britt's version of christianity, which denies forgiveness if you're not a christian and rush limbaugh says -- onstar, we may have that tahoe. ok, i'll flash the lights. we got it. it's in the clear. i'm sending a signal to cut the power. we got him. mr. ross, the police have recovered your tahoe.
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no conference committee to resolve the differences between the senate and house health care reform bills so as to reduce republican friction. wow. why didn't anybody think about that sooner? gosh. first on this date in 1854, 2500
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don't worry, orly taitz limbau limbaugh's heart is just fine. to borrow the phrase about the old baseball pitcher dizzy dean x-rays of mr. limbaugh's head showed nothing. according to limbaugh the
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current health care system is just dandy and he did not receive any special treatment from the queen's medical center staff in honolulu because they offer the best health care in the world. the latest on the bid to offer that to the people who do not make $33 million a year each in a moment but one inevitable conclusion. what mr. limbaugh did not know is he had just endorsed, wait for it, socialized medicine. tpmdc reporting democrats will skip the conference committee process in order to get health care reform passed. congressional aides confirming the house is likely to amend the senate health care bill and send it back to the senate for final passage. democrats are bypassing formal negotiations in order to cut out procedural moves by republicans attempting to delay the bill, a bitter pill to swallow especially if you are the defacto gop leader. mr. limbaugh was released from queens medical center in honolulu after an angiogram proved there is absolutely nothing wrong with his heart. medically speaking that is. >> i've been treated to the best health care in the world has to offer and that is right here in the united states of america. >> limbaugh, riding a tasty wave of irony on his vacation, hawaii has the most progressive health care system in the country. as the "new york times" writes
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they require all employers to provide generous health care benefits to any employee who works 20 hours a week or more. it's so progressive, that some of the current measures would not affect hawaii because the state's mandates go further than the federal legislation would. it turns out the nurses at the queens medical center are represented by the hawaii nurses association also known as a labor union, kids. in fact, the seiu says hawaii has the highest percentage of organized nurses in the country. so those keeping score at home or even alone, he has railed against the kind of health care hawaii has for the rest of the country and called union members thugs but since it's the holidays and all mr. limbaugh has a message about those thug nurses and their socialized medicine for the rest of us. >> based on what happened to me here i don't think there's one thing wrong with the american health care system. it is working just fine, just dandy, and i got nothing special. i got no special treatment other than what anybody else that
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would have called 911 and been brought in with the same kinds of symptoms. >> time now to call in ezra klein staff reporter for "the washington post" and resident expert on this subject. good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> to what degree did mr. limbaugh just prove every philosophical point made by proponents of health care reform? >> pretty high degree. i mean, i follow this closely and there is a reason researchers don't test out other systems by having a rich, famous guy experience chest pains on the golf course. it's not how we do that. look, the comments were both sort of selfish and wrong. we get worse outcomes on average than many other countries and pay twice as much. meanwhile, the, what he is sort of right about is if you're very wealthy you get pretty good care in this country. what we're trying to do in health care reform is give more people a taste of that. so it's sort of a two fer for limbaugh there. >> before leaving his subject all together, he is still missing that central point which is not that people like him get special treatment but that people not like him can't even afford not so special treatment. >> right. i mean, this stuff isn't in
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doubt. right? the urban institute had a study saying about 134,000 people died who didn't need to die between 2000 and 2006 because they were uninsured. and in other countries that doesn't happen. that wouldn't happen to rush limbaugh. so, i mean, there is a truly sort of, we're a bit past the holidays but a real sort of scroogish element to what he said there. >> it's not required to be the holidays for him to present one of those elements. the state of reform and what we are hearing about now, the implications of this report that there will be no conference committee, what are they to you? >> the implications are two. one is that you're going to have less time for people to make technical fixes back and forth and discuss things. conference committee is actually a good process, good for people to be able to sit down and think through the bill out of the sort of lights of the actual passage process. that's a shame. does it change what will get changed, the things people are talking about? probably not. the sort of big ticket items you're going to need to get people to sign on in the house dealing with some of the public option stuff, employer mandate
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stuff, subsidies, those will still get moved around and those negotiations though informal will probably end up pretty much the same way they would have otherwise. >> we saw senator sanders slip in $10 billion for community health care centers in the final senate version essentially as this thing was being typed up and slipped under people's doors. is anybody expecting especially with the time crunch for anything to be slipped into the final, final version of all this? >> i would not put it past anyone. look, they're still going to need liberals in the house to pass this bill. by not going to conference committee they've unsettled a lot of them. to make sure you don't have a last-minute surprise here where you go through the amendments package and suddenly can't pass your bill, huge problem for everybody. they're going to need to essentially have an amendments package that brings liberals onboard. so whether or not it'll be a more liberal bill than it would have been with conference committee i think is yet to be seen but i would expect there to be substantial or at least significant concessions to liberals in the house to make this pass smoothly. >> have you heard anything
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specifically or is it just still in terms of philosophical ideas? >> very philosophical. we're real early in this yet. i mean, i think the conversation has been very informal thus far and i don't think that, you know, folks in the liberals in the house actually didn't know about this until today that we were bypassing conference, so a lot of them have said they're unhappy so my hunch is there are going to be a lot of long meetings on capitol hill in the next day or two to figure out what the amendment package looks like. >> our tax dollars in action again. thank you. britt hume tells tiger woods he can be forgiven if he converts to christianity? fox has given up all pretense. the latest news breaks about the prospect that the white house is looking into whether or not that intel failure was no accident. when rachel joins you at the top of the hour she'll connect the dots on how congressman hoekstra and boehner and other republicans are trying to raise money off terrorism,
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we are going to give you the second of our two new quick comments tonight but instead we want to recap breaking news at this hour as the president convenes his summit tomorrow at the white house to investigate the intelligence failures that led to the failed attempt to blow up an airliner over detroit on christmas day. our richard wolffe is quoting as you may have heard earlier in this news hour sources at the white house who say that the administration is investigating whether those intel failures that led abdulmutallab onto that flight might have been intentional and not accidental. wolffe's sources are offering two possibilities here, two hypotheticals, and they are only hypotheticals at this point, one that this might have been a turf war between intel agencies assigned this nation's counterterrorism responsibility or, two, and obviously much more ominously that, the information was in some way deliberately withheld from some higher or broader authority to make someone look bad as implausible
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and as disturbing as either of those prospects are. that's what richard wolffe's sources are telling him. the white house is investigating tonight. the summit is tomorrow. the president's statement on all of this will be made about 4:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow afternoon. full details throughout the evening here on msnbc. we'll be back with worst persons right after this. unlock a supreme seafood experience with yellowfin and albacore tuna, crab, salmon and ocean fish flavors. to get out of those tubs? when we want. when we're in the mood. it's our choice. announcer: today, guys with erectile dysfunction can be ready with another dosing option from cialis.
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audience tiger woods can be forgiven but only if he renounces his buddhist faith to instead join christianity. i think brit hume can be forgiven if he announces whatever it is he is doing now to instead join journalism. that's next. first "countdown's" worst persons in the world. the bronze to scott rasmussen who keeps his republican thumb on his scales repeated on challenge at reads that he is, quote, an independent pollster who has never been a campaign pollster or consultant but the center for public integrity the nonpartisan group reports rasmussen was a paid consultant to the bush campaign in 2004 to the tune of $45,000 and the republican national committee for surveys and voter data for $95,000. he also cofounded espn and sold it for about 85 cents but we'll skip those crimes for the moment. our runner-up, gretchen carlson who stops by this universe each morning from wherever it is she actually lives to unveil gems like this. a.c.o.r.n.'s chief bertha lewis got an inside look at the white house just days before those explosive undercover tapes were released.
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could her relationship with the first family affect the way the administration ended up viewing those tapes? first, there were no explosive undercover tapes about a.c.o.r.n. there were a couple of dimbo kids with theatrical abilities of fourth grade classmates who didn't get the speaking roles in your annual christmas play who got owned by an a.c.o.r.n. volunteer but secondly hours and days before carlson's breathless announcement that a.c.o.r.n.'s bertha lewis had visited the white house last year, white house spokesman, spokesperson rather, jen saki confirmed the visitor was a woman named bertha e. lewis who apparently went through on a public tour. the president of a.c.o.r.n. is named bertha mae lewis. the right wing explosion designed to frighten small children and the less intelligent kinds of farm animals is about as dumb as confusing the fox host gretchen carlson for an actual reporter somewhere named gretchen carlson. but our winner? brent bozell the founder of the media research council. he has given out an annual prized by the left foot in his
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own mouth awards to our own ed schultz because ed said the republicans lie. they want to see you dead. they'd rather make money off your dead corpse. said boze, ed schultz mr. msnbc making the most hideous character assassination attacks saying we want to kill people and literally saying it. we want to see them dead. just think what would happen if rush limbaugh said that. it would be the end of his career. >> except limbaugh says things like that contactually. last august 13th the president, quote, wants the white house, the executive branch to be making determinations of who lives and who dies. last september 30th it's the american left that wants you to die. the party of abortion and euthanasia. last october 13th the obama administration wants to also get to decide when to dig the grave. last october 15th, democrats would make the elderly face the guillitine. last december 8th, this administration, the democrat party is totally on board with the elderly passing away. two conclusions about brent bozell. a, the word research in his
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group media research council, that's a brand name. no actual research is actually done. and, b, apparently he thinks what rush limbaugh has said about liberals wanting to kill people, that that should be the end of limbaugh's career. brent bozell, today's worst person in the world.
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it was the answer from rupert murdoch and roger ales whenever anybody pointed to fox news and called it what it is. why belabor the point? yeah but we got brit hume at 6:00. he's not partisan, he's not selling anything. he's not proselytizing. oops. >> tiger woods will recover as a golfer. whether he can recover as a person, i think, is a very open question and it's a tragic situation with him. i think he's lost his family. it's not clear to me whether he'll be able to have a relationship with his children.
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but the tiger woods that emerges once the news value dies out of this scandal, the extent to which he can recover seems to me depends on his faith. he is said to be a buddhist. i don't think that faith offers the kind of forgiveness and redemption that is offered by the christian faith. so my message to tiger would be, tiger, turn to the christian faith and you can make a total recovery and be a great example to the world. >> wow. hume's attempt to inject religion into a discussion of the woods mess and then setting one religion as superior and more forgiving to another even got a mention from don imus on the fox out of business channel quoting, well we checked this morning and unfortunately or perhaps fortunately if you're a buddhist there is a path to recovery and redemption right? well yes there is. the idea of redemption is achieving the state of being freed from greed, hate, and delusion. let's bring in activist dan savage author of the commitment, love, sex, marriage, and my family.
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dan, good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> wow. when the brakes of political correctness are applied on you by don imus you're in trouble. let me start with the premise. being christian is the best religion for adulterers because you can be forgiven and we have lots of many fine examples of that i suppose. >> we do. mark sanford, john ensign, david witter. what's hilarious is there is brit hume on fox news suggesting people should be christians or straight men should be christians not because jesus is wait and the light, the son of god, not because it is the one true religion but because it offers the best deal. it gives you the get out of adultery free card that other religions just can't. that seems like an insult to christianity as my mother would point out. >> isn't this the classic thing that your mother probably also pointed out to you about never discussing religion in public? you can discuss religion in public. it's like this you're not supposed to do it. this crosses that principle. keep religious advocacy out of public life since the worst examples of that are jihadists not to mention, you know, guys who don't know their own
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religions or somebody else's religion like brit hume. >> what's really telling, though, is just as, you know, i'm not comparing the american religious right to jihadists. they throw rhetorical bombs. the other guys throw real bombs. a big difference. whenever we have a discussion in our country about jihadists and radical muslims you always hear where are the moderate muslims? why don't they speak up? where are the moderate, liberal progressive christians when something like this happens? why don't they speak up in defense of their own faith? american christianity has been hijacked by the lunatics, the pat robertsons, the phelps family, and by people like brit hume and it is an insult to christianity and christians. i'm not a christian. i was in seminary once upon a time but i'd like to hear from moderate christians not just radicals about this. i'd like to hear them speak up. >>


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